Who from White House budget office called Rudy Giuliani back in August and what did they talk about for 13 minutes? That is the question House Democrats could not find the answer to a new report released on Tuesday by Democrats on the Intelligence Committee shows.
That call and a dozen other text messages between Giuliani and other White House numbers were on AT&T and Verizon records obtained by House Democrats.
Adam Schiff has so far declined to comment on how the House Intelligence Committee was able to obtain the records.
There is no clear answer why Trump’s personal attorney would need to speak to anyone in the White House Office of Management and Budget, but the records do seem to help add fuel to the argument that Giuliani was involved in the scheme to use taxpayer money as leverage for Trump’s political gain.
The phone calls and text messages between Giuliani and the White House on August 8 came just as emissaries worked with Giuliani to try and convince President Zelensky to announce publicly that the country was opening an investigation into Trump’s political rival Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.
Giuliani and Trump’s envoys had discussed with Zelensky how he could announce the investigation into the Biden’s on camera.
The public would later learn that Trump withheld nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine in an attempt to get Zelensky to open the investigation.
Giuliani’s call history shows six text messages between him and a White House number. House investigators were not able to pinpoint exactly who was using that White House number.
The history also shows that Giuliani repeatedly calling the White House Situation Room’s switchboard as well as other White House numbers. Most of the calls were a minute or less in duration. These calls investigators believe that Giuliani was unable to reach the individual that he wished to speak with.
For Democrats, the 13-minute phone call stands out. The number called is associated with the OMB, the office that is under acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, which had the military funds frozen. Investigators still do not know who was on the call with Giuliani.
Late on August 8, Giuliani had several incoming calls from single-digit caller ID “-1.” There is some speculation that the calls were from Donald Trump.
Giuliani sent a statement to NBC News on Wednesday and blasted the report from House Democrats. He stated that Democrats were ignoring “every due process rights held dear by those who appreciate and value fair adjudication.”
“Alexander Hamilton is turning over in his grave at Trinity Church,” Giuliani added.
The phone records also show that Lev Parnas, a Giuliani associate, and Rep. Devin Nunes were in almost constant contact last April when Giuliani was calling for the Biden family to be investigated.
Joseph Bondy, Parnas’ lawyer posted on Twitter that Nunes should have recused himself from the impeachment hearings.
Other call records obtained by the House revealed that on Aug. 9, the day after Giuliani’s flurry of calls to the White House, Volker and Giuliani spoke by phone twice that day.