As the impeachment hearings roll along, a lot of damning and shocking testimony has been coming out. One such event happened during a private meeting between a U.S. diplomat and Congressional investigators. A transcript detailing the testimony of David Holmes of the United States State Department says that Volodymyr Zelenskiy, current President of Ukraine, had a “childhood friend” who claimed that “someone named Giuiliani” boasted of being an adviser to current U.S. Vice President Mike Pence. Holmes’ opening remarks in the closed-door testimony declared that Giuliani had “direct influence on the foreign policy agenda” when it came to how the United States dealt with Ukraine.
Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-NY) tried to give cover to Giuliani in the hearing by asking if Holmes wasn’t sure that the former New York City Mayor was not “just trying to represent the president as his client.” Holmes replied:
“They [the Ukrainians] viewed him as a significant individual in terms of their relationship with the United States.”
That answer was not good enough for Rep. Zeldin, but Holmes shot back, “I’m just trying to say, sir, that the Ukrainians viewed him in broader terms than that.” Then, Holmes went on to give more evidence detailing the idea that Giuliani was much more than just Donald Trump’s private attorney. This evidence specifically came in the form of communications Holmes claimed to have had with Ivan Bakanov, the aforementioned “childhood friend” of Zelenskiy. Holmes then dropped the bombshell:
“At one point he, Mr. Bakanov, told me that, you know, someone named Giuliani said he was an adviser to the vice president.”
When he received pushback for this narrative, Holmes said:
“That’s what he said. I don’t know what he meant by that. But that’s what he said.
“And so they—they seem to think that he [Giuliani] was a significant person in terms of managing their relationship with the United States.”
The transcript also details where Holmes says that a “political agenda promoted by Rudy Giuliani and a cadre of officials” was now the center point for United States/Ukraine foreign policy. According to Holmes, aiding Ukraine in keeping Vladimir Putin’s Russia at bay is now secondary to a political agenda.
This should come as no surprise to anyone. Closed-door or not, Holmes’ testimony was under oath, and presumably the transcripts are accurate. Holmes would have no reason to lie; in fact, he would have everything to lose, including his freedom, by doing so, since lying to Congress is illegal.
Of course the incredibly corrupt Trump Administration has a political hack like Rudy Giuliani advising the Vice President on Ukraine policy. After all, Trump has dealings all around the world, and has been using the presidency to enrich himself since the day he took office, starting with having foreign diplomats stay at the Trump Hotel in Washington, D.C.
As utterly corrupt as this is, it is par for the course with the Trump Administration. Sad, but true.