On Saturday a recording of Donald Trump was publicly released. In the recording, Trump can be heard saying that people who use marijuana “lose IQ points.”
“In Colorado, they have more accidents,” Trump says of the first state to legalize marijuana for adult use. “It does cause an IQ problem.”
The recording was made by Rudy Giuliani’s indicted associated Lev Parnas. The recording is part of a treasure trove of evidence that Parnas handed over to House investigators. The evidence included recordings, voice mails, text messages, handwritten notes, and photographs.
Parnas brought up marijuana by asking Trump about state-legal marijuana businesses’ lack of access to banking services.
“Cannabis, look, you’re talking about marijuana, right?” Trump replied. “You can’t do banking there?”
“That’s the biggest problem because none of the banks accept the money,” Parnas then stated.
Trump can then be heard saying that the issue is “all working out. That whole thing is working out.”
“I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing,” he would then add.
The recording was made back in April of 2018 at Trump’s Washington D.C. hotel. The recording was handed over to Democratic investigators by Parnas’ attorney Joseph Bondy.
“We’re going to see what’s going on. It’s a very big subject and right now we are allowing states to make that decision,” Trump said. “A lot of states are making that decision, but we’re allowing states to make that decision.”
Trump can then be heard asking questions. “Do you think the whole marijuana thing is a good thing?” and, “But it’s actually good for opioids?”
One unidentified person replies that marijuana is a “better alternative” to prescription painkillers.
Donald Trump Jr. can then be heard telling his father that “alcohol does much more damage” than marijuana.
“You don’t see people beating their wives on marijuana,” Trump Jr. said. “It’s just different.”
Parnas then states “It’s so far out you’re not going to stop it. I think you need to be ahead of it.”
Studies have repeatedly shown that Trump is wrong about marijuana causing IQ loss. The National Institute on Drug Abuse determined that there is not “a causal relationship between marijuana use and IQ loss.”
“Trump’s remarks simply reveal that he is out of touch, given that the majority of Americans support marijuana legalization for both medical and adult-use,” Sheila Vakharia of the Drug Policy Alliance said. “This type of rhetoric is fear-mongering and inflammatory.”
“The evidence is clear from the dozens of states that have legalized medical and adult-use—the sky isn’t falling and the kids are alright,” she added.